Didymus Mutasa, the embattled former minister in the Zimbabwe presidency and the ruling Zanu-PF’s former ­secretary for administration, has staked his lifelong career in the party in a high-stakes bid to get his job back.

Mutasa (79), who has been with Zanu-PF for more than 40 years, is taking the party to court in an effort to get the decision taken at its congress in December to remove him reversed. He was subsequently fired from government and accused of trying to assassinate President Robert Mugabe and former vice-president Joice Mujuru, who was also dismissed from the government and party.

Mugabe described Mutasa last week as a "fool" for taking him on.

Here is an interview Mutasa did this week:

Zanu-PF appears to be at a crossroads. Do you believe the courts will resolve this?

I believe so, particularly if the courts concede to our request that the party should go back to the position where it was in August 2014. My own position is that there is nothing that I will gain personally from this process, except to bring back legality to the party.

What we are doing is for the benefit of young people, who do not want to be led by a group of gangsters who simply come up one day and tell lies and say to the president: "You are going to be killed" – and this is what this group is preparing to do. We feel that is evil and must be resisted.

We said the Ian Smith regime was evil, was illegal and we went to war on it. But we are not calling for war. We are just calling for reason. They told lies about the former vice-president and we have said: "Please prove it."

They said that I wanted to kill the president together with the former vice-president. I said: "Well, I am the head of our security services and I am employed to look after him so how could I turn around to murder him?"

It is unheard of and, as a matter of fact, that is why we are asking that he [Mugabe] remains the head of both conflicting groups and we discuss with him and we will be able to show him how this other group has misled him.

You recently wrote to the Southern African Development Community (SADC) and the African Union (AU). Will they involve themselves in the internal politics of Zanu-PF?

When you do anything you don’t immediately think or talk about how successful it will be. We are trying to eliminate all possible reasons why our case might not succeed.

We have come to the realisation of what could be done and what the potential of this country is, and this is why we are trying to mend our bicycle because it is broken down and we want, after mending it, to ride it into the future.

As you can see, I am an old man and I gain nothing personally from all this. But I have got children and grandchildren who must live happily in the country of their birth and that is the main reason why we have got to pursue this case.

Is internal dialogue not a better option?

Yes it is. When the president arrived last week he had to say what he did about me. I don’t mind that, but if he thinks that I am a fool then he must have been working with a fool very closely for the past 35 years, because I started working with him in prison right up to now.

The reason he gave me high posts in government was because he trusted me and suddenly, if he says this man is a fool, then they will say why has he not seen it before?

Why did you not present your grievances directly to Mugabe, whom you were known to have a close relationship with?

At that time [before the December congress] it was impossible. There was so much violence [and] many people who wanted to go to the illegal congress were barred from going there. A number of chairmen of provinces had been removed and so the mood was very difficult …

I tried to discuss it with him personally but he was determined to go ahead, and he said: “This is none of my business. This is a matter … being done by the women’s league and I have no hand in it, and Mutasa you must understand.”

Should the courts not rule in your favour, what will you do?

We have got to sit down and look at what is possible. You see, this matter does not affect Zimbabwe alone.

It affects the whole of SADC because Zimbabwe is one component of the SADC and I do not believe that all these other heads of state that we sent our letter to will just sit back and do nothing. Our letter to the SADC was addressed to the president of Zimbabwe because he is the chairman of SADC and that way I thought we killed two birds with one stone.

I am waiting for a response to that letter and if he wants to publicise it, that is fine; if he wants it to be between the two of us, that is fine. You can’t dismiss [me] simply by saying we don’t want to take our matters out of the country. We must understand we are living in a global village.

What will you do if you are fired from Zanu-PF?

I’ll do nothing and that is what they want. I’ll still live like I am living now, but I think that those people who will fire me will have a very bad conscience for the rest of their lives.

You speak of ‘we’ yet you are a lone voice. Why are the others supporting you namelessly?

They should speak for themselves – I do not like to speak for them. I speak on behalf of people from my constituency, as an MP. Nobody has ever said we want to see who these people are that you talk on behalf of in Parliament. Therefore, I am talking on behalf of all Zimbabweans who feel something wrong has been done.

In your statement earlier this month you spoke of “a dictatorship” in Zanu-PF. Who is the architect of this dictatorship?

It’s people who have advised our president: Emmerson Mnangagwa (vice-president), Ignatius Chombo (local government minister), Saviour Kasukuwere (environment minister), Jonathan Moyo (information minister) and Patrick Zhuwao (Mugabe’s nephew). Those are the group of people who have formed a dictatorship.

If this country went to war to achieve one man one vote, why should we spoil that? I am saying to other people: “Can you see what is happening to Zimbabwe and can you help us sort it out?”

President Mugabe turns 91 next month. Is he still the best person to lead Zanu-PF?

At the moment he is our constitutionally elected leader. The process of having another leader, I believe, should be done lawfully in terms of the Zanu-PF constitution, which was thrown out.

Once that process is taken into account, then members of Zanu-PF are given the right to choose their leader and not to have them imposed by the president.

Mugabe is a very good and fine gentleman. He is going to leave somebody else and that’s our fear – that that somebody he leaves behind will not be as good as he is and our country will go to the dogs.

If the people say we want Mnangagwa then he has got to be brought in properly and not be imposed on us.

Will Zanu-PF pay the price of being divided in the 2018 polls?

I hope not. This is why we are doing what we are to cleanse our party.

Do you regret any policies during the time you were in government?

In a way, yes. We have taken away people’s land and we are not making good use of those farms. When you see how many Zimbabweans are in South Africa, it’s millions. What are they going there for? It’s work. We draw up fantastic blueprints but with no money to achieve them. It makes me very sad.

I have always wondered about our Look East policy that confines Zimbabwe to Russia and China. You then see how faulty some of our policies are. You never think about them clearly and they are given to you in a memorandum and when you meet your Cabinet and politburo colleagues to discuss them, you are told there is no time and we move to other issues.

You are now an ordinary card-carrying Zanu-PF member. How do you feel?

I am an ordinary person and I am very happy to be just that, because that is where I started. My wife said that it is very good thatI have been placed where I am now because I would have been in an untenable position. I agree with her, and I am quite happy.




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Hacha Ndizvo Dr
+1 # Hacha Ndizvo Dr 2015-01-30 11:27
The old man is becoming honest by the day - especially on that issue of land and useless economic blueprints.
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selele
+1 # selele 2015-01-30 13:13
okay vaMtasa, saka totangira papi? You certainly know best how those judges at the high court were appointed. Do you really trust them. Is anyone in Zimbabwe ready to risk his ass for your course? Ini hangu I doubt? Who is going to tie bells around Chiwenga and his men's necks? Pane nyaya apa...
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Mwana waGushungo
0 # Mwana waGushungo 2015-01-30 15:26
Noone will dare go near your case MR Mtasa , its unfortunate . We all know what happens to those who dare cross mudharas path .
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Dofo
0 # Dofo 2015-01-30 17:54
Facts from you CDE Mitasa you were spot onn on land grabbing and the the useless look east policy and also on Mnangagwa very cruel this Mnangagwa we can't have such a cruel person for a president never kuti kune mumwe murume akaite saiye sarudza chaunoda kubuda ne pa 6th floor window or gara pa stove yakatsvuka just because of a girlfriend now the poor guy is on wheelchair working with another idiot called Mahoso
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