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You are a liar: Angry family members tell TB Joshua as Byo woman dies in Nigeria A DESPERATE Bulawayo woman who paid thousands of dollars to visit Nigeria seeking divine intervention for her hospitalised daughter will return home in a body bag – one of at least 115 people now confirmed to have died after the collapse of a church building owned by the controversial prophet, TB Joshua.

Yesterday, the family of Catherine Ndlovu, 40, accused TB Joshua and his church of erecting a "wall of lies" in the aftermath of the September 12 disaster, including insisting that the mum-of-two was unharmed and would be returning home.

"We called them [TB Joshua church] every day, asking where my sister was and they said she had boarded a plane back to South Africa and would be back on Sunday last week. We became suspicious when other Zimbabweans who had travelled to Nigeria came back via South Africa and she wasn't part of the group. It became clear they'd been lying to us and withholding information from us all along," Catherine's brother, Jabulani, said from the family home in Mpopoma.

Catherine becomes the second Zimbabwean to have died in the disaster after Greenwich Ndanga, the MDC-T chairman for Mashonaland West, was reported to be among the dead by his family.

At least 84 South Africans were killed and dozens trapped when the multi-storey guesthouse attached to TB Joshua's Synagogue Church of All Nations caved in, apparently after TB Joshua ordered the construction of additional floors without reinforcing the foundations.

He claims it was a conspiracy, insisting that a mysterious plane flew, four times, too close to the structure causing the collapse.
TB Joshua, who inspires an almost fanatical devotion from his thousands of followers around the world, who are drawn to his services by claims of miracle-working and prophecies, has offered to hold services in South Africa once every month, claiming that six out of every 10 visitors to Nigeria from Southern Africa are coming to his church.

But the youth wing of South Africa's ruling African National Congress yesterday demanded that he be denied a visa.

"TB Joshua should not be allowed to come to South Africa until we know what happened to our fellow countrymen at his church," ANC Youth League spokesperson Bandile Masuku said in a statement.

"We will engage with the department of international relations and co-operation to make sure they do not issue him with a South African visa."
Catherine's family said she left Zimbabwe on September 11, a day after her 19-year-old daughter – Prioress Tshuma – who has suffered from seizures since 2007, was admitted at Mpilo Central Hospital. She believed the seizures were caused by an evil spirit, and hoped TB Joshua would heal her.

It would have been just hours after she touched down in the Nigerian capital, Lagos, before her life was snuffed out by falling concrete blocks and cement dust – leaving a daughter in hospital and a nine-year-old school-going son, Progress Sibanda, both orphaned.

Their uncle, Jabulani, is still battling with a lot of questions – and he accuses the besieged church of attempting a clumsy cover up.

"When we heard news of the collapse, we feared the worst. There was no communication from the church until my cousin, who lives in South Africa, called them. They just put up a wall of lies and kept telling us she was safe. It would be only several days later that they confirmed our worst fears," he said.

But the family's hope of getting Catherine's body any time soon were immediately dashed after TB Joshua's aides asked them to provide a DNA sample for positive identification.

"We don't even know if that's true, and our only hope now is that our government can get to the bottom of this. Who knows how many other Zimbabweans have been kept in the dark about their relatives' fate?"

TB Joshua has been heavily criticized over his handling of the crisis, with aide workers saying they were prevented from accessing the disaster area for several days. The preacher rejected the lack of co-operation claims as "inaccurate".

"Contrary to this, we want to categorically state that the church has provided assistance when and where required and continues to do so: good Christians are good citizens," he said.

Since the disaster, at least two journalists have told how TB Joshua tried to bribe them to influence them to write positively about him.

Nigerian journalist Nicholas Ebekwe said TB Joshua handed out envelopes, each containing 50,000 Naira (R3,300 or US$330) to local journalists during a closed press conference. Ebekwe, who released a secret recording of TB Joshua offering the bribes, said he was surprised to see some of his colleagues take the money.

"What got me angry is we're talking about a tragedy, we're talking about a loss of over 100 lives. Now journalists don't have the conscience to report what is right."

South African investigative journalist and author, Jacques Pauw, also revealed that the preacher once tried to bribe his entire television crew. He said he accompanied the late Blue Bulls rugby player Wium Basson to Lagos for healing. Basson died in April 2001 aged 25.

"Basson was dying of liver cancer and while he was there, the prophet refused to pray for him. He obviously realised that it was going to be bad publicity for him and then he handed an envelope full of $100 notes to me and the sound person. We told him we couldn't accept it and he said it was a gift from God."

He said Joshua wasn't very forthcoming in the interview.

"It was difficult to find out where he comes from, how much money he has and how much power he wields. The church is also very suspicious because after we broadcast the documentary, there was a campaign against us in Nigeria. On their website, we were described as the disciples of the devil."

Pauw said he and his crew were incarcerated in his church for almost three weeks and not allowed to leave the compound.

"You aren't allowed to leave without the group you came with. These groups normally go for a week. You can't leave to go to a restaurant and the gates are locked."

TB Joshua founded the church in the late 1980s with only eight members and at the moment he has between 15,000 to 20,000 people who attend his sermons every Sunday in Lagos.





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Hacha Ndizvo
+2 # Hacha Ndizvo 2014-09-24 11:20
I am very touched. Surely one should not find death from a quest for salvation - I always tell people not to have faith in individuals - the power of prayer is in each of us and if we unlock that power we will not need anyone else to intercede on our behalf. We however allow ourselves to be weak - we neglect our inner power and that power becomes weak and we fail to communicate with God. In the end we run to these so called Prophets - who take advantage of us
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Brainbox
+1 # Brainbox 2014-09-24 12:08
Well said and it is mind boggling how people dont realise that they can also talk to God and indeed do so on a daily basis maybe sub consciously. But many thrill seekers turn to these magicians for fun and games instead of divine intervention which yourselves can be accorded if you let Jesus be your pillar.
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Mazuva Ekupedzisira
+2 # Mazuva Ekupedzisira 2014-09-24 12:46
Affirmative!The BIBLE has given to us explicit criteria to test prophets, but alas! we don't read the bible as well as we should.We trust mortals with our salvation.The bible said you shall know them by their fruits,.......f or example, trying to bribe Journalists??Le ts seek Divine guidance and God will open our eyes to the deception pervading the Universe....as was prophesied.
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ike
+3 # ike 2014-09-24 13:08
That's the problem with deceived people, they never see anything wrong with these so called prophets as long as they are under the spell. They still can't believe that God can answer their players without the intercession of the so called"man" of God. They talk of others wanting deliverance when they're the ones in dire need of it. They don't know the truth and they're bound in error and human worship.
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Solo
-1 # Solo 2014-09-24 13:13
Hacha Ndizvo that's right but some argue that they earn a little more than others and can afford to fly to Nigeria.

The truth is that stars shine brightest in complete darkness. God's power is manifested in big trouble, remember Jesus in the sea of Galilee and Elijah and the widow's son. God wants you to ASK (Ask, Seek and Knock). If it doesn't work, continue to ask without ceasing. Ask. Isaiah 65:24 says that God answers prayers without fail.
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Solo
0 # Solo 2014-09-24 13:13
Very sorry for the death. T. B. Joshua dis negligence he didn't allow structural engineers to do structural analysis and design of the building. There is no way a fully qualified civil engineer wouldn't capture the accident in waiting. All along the building was in unstable equilibrium due to the grace of God. T. B. Joshua was negligent but he is connected to politicians and various security agents such that nothing happens to him. The death and coup that he prophesise its a prediction that he gets from security agents. T.B. Joshua is evil he's banned in Cameroon. A lot of people from Cameroon were kidnapped on their way to T.B. Joshua and the Cameroon Government actually banned T. B. Joshua on their soil. His bouncers delayed the rescue operation, that is evil.
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maitahenyu
0 # maitahenyu 2014-09-25 08:24
These Cameroonians were they kidnapped by TB Joshua nhai Solo. I don't subscribe to TB Joshua but those who go to him go having convinced themeselves that he can do it. Mind you he is not a hapurakatapura he relies on Jesus so for those who go to him who do they look to for healing Jesus or TB Joshua? This family should have looked for Jesus first now vakungotuka TB Joshua do you think pa disaster panganyanyozihw a kuti abuda akadzokera kumusha ndiyani?
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Jonso
0 # Jonso 2014-09-24 13:16
You went to him, because you needed his assistance. Now that he has faced tragedy, you humiliate him. So who is using the other?
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Solo
0 # Solo 2014-09-24 14:33
Jonso can you please understand that this is a man-made disaster which could have been prevented by just following standard building bylaws. Can you please understand that the renovations that triggered the collapse were not approved! T.B. Joshua did an unsafe act by bypassing the structural engineer and the buildings approval process in general.
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maitahenyu
0 # maitahenyu 2014-09-25 08:20
Solo go to Nigeria first and you will understand that it is different from us here were we follow standards and laws are set for that.In Nigeria anybody with land can build as he wishes he can choose engineers or he can just build. It is unfortunate it is his byuilding which fell with miracle hunters inside. If these people were enlightened and are not lazy to read the Bible they would not have gone to Nigeria in the first place.
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Jonso
0 # Jonso 2014-09-25 09:41
Solo can you please explain the coincidence between falling of the building and the strange air craft. Lets admit that the building was poorly constructed, but what was that strange plane doing on God's property. Why are the Nigerian authorities quite about that strange plane. The Nigerian government must first of all clear the issue of that plane, whose was it, what was its mission at that time, and if its a foreign plane, was it cleared to pass through their airspace etc and etc. Without that information, Solo, you would not have started. It starts with the Nigerian government itself to clear that issue, then we can now call for FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS. As long we are not answered on that one, mark my words. Its a chase after wind. Anywhere, Also realise that this thing occured on September 12, i will want to believe that they missed a satanic number by 1, which was 11. I think this building was supposed to collapse on the 11th of September, and they missed it.
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Solo
0 # Solo 2014-09-25 10:48
Using Laws of Physics, any building vibrates; the building can collapse if the frequency of sound waves produced by the plane matches that of the building. There will be resonance which causes the building collapse.

Was the aircraft a war plane with bombs? Was a bomb dropped? Bombs leave a residue, it should be evident from the rubble. If its an issue of noise only, then that can be accomodated at design stage. At our Harare International Airport, the terminal building has received the worst noise from Air Zimbabwe but its still strong. I argue here that aircraft noise only cannot pull down a properly designed building.

Who is putting an iron curtain around the investigations? Is it T.B. Joshua or the Nigerian government? Its very strange to suppress an investigation when there is manslaughter like this.
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Solo
0 # Solo 2014-09-25 10:52
Using Laws of Physics, any building vibrates; the building can collapse if the frequency of sound waves produced by the plane matches that of the building. There will be resonance which causes the building collapse.

Was the aircraft a war plane with bombs? Was a bomb dropped? Bombs leave a residue, it should be evident from the rubble. If its an issue of noise only, then that can be accomodated at design stage. At our Harare International Airport, the terminal building has received the worst noise from Air Zimbabwe but its still strong. I argue here that aircraft noise only cannot pull down a properly designed building.

Who is putting an iron curtain around the investigations? Is it T.B. Joshua or the Nigerian government? Its very strange to suppress an investigation when there is manslaughter like this.
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Solo
0 # Solo 2014-09-24 13:22
T.B. Joshua is exposing people to danger because his buildings are not designed by structural engineers. His church buildings are a hazard. This man, T.B. Joshua should be investigated and be arrested. This is human blood harvesting caused by an individual who thinks that he's untouchable. The man of god has done human blood harvesting on a large scale this time. All along it was just an average of 4 or 5 individuals stampeding for his healing oil.

God isn't a monster, God doesn't do manslaughter. God loves people.
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monica
+1 # monica 2014-09-24 17:26
thats what yu call man of god.now u have discovered that they are after blood .this is just the beginning.why did he failed to predict this traged if he was really a man of god?
hey u pple open you eyes hey.
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Naome
+2 # Naome 2014-09-25 02:19
Quoting monica:
thats what yu call man of god.now u have discovered that they are after blood .this is just the beginning.why did he failed to predict this traged if he was really a man of god?
hey u pple open you eyes hey.

Read your bible well my dear.That is why Jesus said no one knows the time and date.Kuenda kwa TB Joshua handiko kuti hauchafi. Inga unobva waona kuti vanhu vac h iri kuda kudzidziswa shoko Ra Mwari.Tiregei zvedu isu.
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Jonso
0 # Jonso 2014-09-26 20:05
ZVINEI NEBUILDING IZVOZVO.?
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maitahenyu
0 # maitahenyu 2014-09-25 08:15
People need to understand that miracles do work but not as haphazard as they want. He refused to pray for a man with a liver cancer they say but TB Joshua does not heal he is just a vessel and if he is not send to you he cannot heal you and that is a fact. Are you saying even during Jesus' time there were no deaths in Israel? Ini I am happy at my local church with prayers to the Mighty God through Jesus Christ I can be healed since you receive Grace you don;t ask oer work for it He just gves.
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ginger brown
0 # ginger brown 2014-09-25 08:53
i hope this is a lesson to all of you, kurumwa nechekuchera if u believe in God then why do you believe in a human being the two are different, human being is jus a reflection of the original so take note of that
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Jonso
0 # Jonso 2014-09-26 20:03
Quoting ginger brown:
i hope this is a lesson to all of you, kurumwa nechekuchera if u believe in God then why do you believe in a human being the two are different, human being is jus a reflection of the original so take note of that


JESUS WAS HUMAN BEING, AND THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVE IN HIM.
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CDE WANGARA
0 # CDE WANGARA 2014-09-26 09:23
Ini I am actually going Next Month Salvation is Personal
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